we need jobs in this economy for middle class people and that's what will make this economy stronger and so if we cut then we're going against that very basic economic principle. when you constrict the budget and cut off the flow of money, you're not going have as many jobs available. so i am not -- i am not in favor of drastic cuts in spending at this time, but i do think long term we should be looking at reducing our debt and restoring fiscal sanity to our budget. >> a group of house democrats, yourself included you want to do away with the debt ceiling law altogether. this is congressman jerry neven, this is what he had to say about it. take a listen. >> it is time to repeal the debt ceiling and today we're introducing legislation to do just that. instead of playing a game of chicken with the full faith and credit of the united states, we must deal with the economic and fiscal problems that face our nation responsibly without blackmail. >> congressman, why should congress step a bay from taway the debt limit process altogether? >> well, a statutory requirement to have a vote to in